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		<title>By: librariesinteract.info</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-9389</link>
		<dc:creator>librariesinteract.info</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Being a systems person in a Library I can empathise with John when he points out that &#8220;&#8230;the nature of our systems do not yield readily to this kind of retrofitting&#8230;&#8221;. I look forward to further posts from John on this topic. It is a concern I had earlier when I posted about the Evergreen system here on LINT. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Being a systems person in a Library I can empathise with John when he points out that &#8220;&#8230;the nature of our systems do not yield readily to this kind of retrofitting&#8230;&#8221;. I look forward to further posts from John on this topic. It is a concern I had earlier when I posted about the Evergreen system here on LINT. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: psychic</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6563</link>
		<dc:creator>psychic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 01:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penrith City library (NSW) also created their own system using open source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penrith City library (NSW) also created their own system using open source.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Wallis</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t necessarily agree that our vendors are concerned with standards and especially APIs. Granted we have access to the back end database, but the more complex things requiring an API isn&#039;t available.

Take our comments earlier about checking if a book is available. There is no API, at least in our system, that we could use to say &quot;Hey, is this book with ID currently on the shelf?&quot;. We&#039;d have to check the database, and hope that between releases they didn&#039;t change anything like the database schema or database access details.

The issue of APIs or the lack thereof, I think, are going to be the biggest problem for Libraries that want to start doing more interesting things with the ILS / ILMS. Simply because up until now we haven&#039;t argued for the APIs, standards compliance and other aspects that would make it easy. These things haven&#039;t been necessary because up until now the vendor provided everything we wanted. 

With the current shake-up of the ILS / ILMS sector, and all of the new things we want to do like Library2.0 etc., the next couple of years are going to be rather interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily agree that our vendors are concerned with standards and especially APIs. Granted we have access to the back end database, but the more complex things requiring an API isn&#8217;t available.</p>
<p>Take our comments earlier about checking if a book is available. There is no API, at least in our system, that we could use to say &#8220;Hey, is this book with ID currently on the shelf?&#8221;. We&#8217;d have to check the database, and hope that between releases they didn&#8217;t change anything like the database schema or database access details.</p>
<p>The issue of APIs or the lack thereof, I think, are going to be the biggest problem for Libraries that want to start doing more interesting things with the ILS / ILMS. Simply because up until now we haven&#8217;t argued for the APIs, standards compliance and other aspects that would make it easy. These things haven&#8217;t been necessary because up until now the vendor provided everything we wanted. </p>
<p>With the current shake-up of the ILS / ILMS sector, and all of the new things we want to do like Library2.0 etc., the next couple of years are going to be rather interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Peta Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6429</link>
		<dc:creator>Peta Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have thought they&#039;d care too - the question was prompted because I couldn&#039;t find any availability information on Fish - maybe it is coming.
Putting on my library user hat, I want to know if something is in or out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have thought they&#8217;d care too &#8211; the question was prompted because I couldn&#8217;t find any availability information on Fish &#8211; maybe it is coming.<br />
Putting on my library user hat, I want to know if something is in or out.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Wallis</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6424</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peta,

That&#039;s an interesting question. I would have thought it would be very important to the user to know if the book is in the shelf, on loan etc. 

The uncoupling from circulation doesn&#039;t necessarily mean you lose this type of information. For example if the API was rich enough you could extend a system such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://schoolof.info/infomancy/?p=326&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fish&lt;/a&gt; with a mechanism to check the status of the book. 

The whole idea of uncoupling parts of the &lt;acronym title=&quot;Integrated Library Management System&quot;&gt;ILMS&lt;/acronym&gt; hangs on the issue of APIs. If it isn&#039;t possible to make the different components work together and behave nicely, it won&#039;t be possible to successfully move away from the vendor based ILMS. 

This, I think, is where these open source solutions come into their own. Because, as far as I can see so far, they&#039;re all based around industry standards, communication protocols and frameworks. Can we say the same about our bought ILMS package?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peta,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s an interesting question. I would have thought it would be very important to the user to know if the book is in the shelf, on loan etc. </p>
<p>The uncoupling from circulation doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean you lose this type of information. For example if the API was rich enough you could extend a system such as <a href="http://schoolof.info/infomancy/?p=326" rel="nofollow">Fish</a> with a mechanism to check the status of the book. </p>
<p>The whole idea of uncoupling parts of the <acronym title="Integrated Library Management System">ILMS</acronym> hangs on the issue of APIs. If it isn&#8217;t possible to make the different components work together and behave nicely, it won&#8217;t be possible to successfully move away from the vendor based ILMS. </p>
<p>This, I think, is where these open source solutions come into their own. Because, as far as I can see so far, they&#8217;re all based around industry standards, communication protocols and frameworks. Can we say the same about our bought ILMS package?</p>
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		<title>By: Peta Hopkins</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6374</link>
		<dc:creator>Peta Hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 21:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://schoolof.info/infomancy/?p=326&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Introducing Fish&lt;/a&gt; describes a new option for replacing the OPAC part of the ILS. How critical though is this uncoupling from the circulation module of the ILS - do finders care if they have no information about whether the item is on the shelf or on loan to someone?

The find interface looks simple to use and uncluttered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://schoolof.info/infomancy/?p=326" rel="nofollow">Introducing Fish</a> describes a new option for replacing the OPAC part of the ILS. How critical though is this uncoupling from the circulation module of the ILS &#8211; do finders care if they have no information about whether the item is on the shelf or on loan to someone?</p>
<p>The find interface looks simple to use and uncluttered.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6281</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, WA isn&#039;t unique on this one ;) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opensource.nsw.gov.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Source NSW&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, WA isn&#8217;t unique on this one <img src='http://librariesinteract.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  <a href="http://www.opensource.nsw.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">Open Source NSW</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn Greenhill</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6154</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathryn Greenhill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Western Australia is unique, but we have a government agency dedicated to demonstrating and advising about Open Source software.

It&#039;s called &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.opensource.wa.gov.au/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OpenSourceWA&lt;/a&gt;. Here&#039;s more &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.opensource.wa.gov.au/about&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;about it&lt;/a&gt;, and a page about &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.egov.dpc.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?event=topicsOpenSource&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Open Source Software&lt;/a&gt; from the Department of Premier and Cabinet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Western Australia is unique, but we have a government agency dedicated to demonstrating and advising about Open Source software.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called <a target="_blank" href="http://www.opensource.wa.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">OpenSourceWA</a>. Here&#8217;s more <a target="_blank" href="http://www.opensource.wa.gov.au/about" rel="nofollow">about it</a>, and a page about <a target="_blank" href="http://www.egov.dpc.wa.gov.au/index.cfm?event=topicsOpenSource" rel="nofollow">Open Source Software</a> from the Department of Premier and Cabinet.</p>
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		<title>By: Fiona</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6143</link>
		<dc:creator>Fiona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 04:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great that Evergreen has finally been released! I first heard of it back in 2004, when I was investigating an open source ILS for the library I was working at then. I very much wanted to make the switch, at the time to Koha, but it wasn&#039;t quite ready. Open Source software for libraries has come a very long way even since then.

Corey - Many government agencies tender for custom software solutions, sometimes Open Source. Here&#039;s a guide to Open Source Software for government agencies - http://www.agimo.gov.au/_sourceit/sourceit/oss 

I wonder if a case could be put for the government to fund development of ILS software for libraries, in a similar way to Greenstone with UNESCO for libraries in developing countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great that Evergreen has finally been released! I first heard of it back in 2004, when I was investigating an open source ILS for the library I was working at then. I very much wanted to make the switch, at the time to Koha, but it wasn&#8217;t quite ready. Open Source software for libraries has come a very long way even since then.</p>
<p>Corey &#8211; Many government agencies tender for custom software solutions, sometimes Open Source. Here&#8217;s a guide to Open Source Software for government agencies &#8211; <a href="http://www.agimo.gov.au/_sourceit/sourceit/oss" rel="nofollow">http://www.agimo.gov.au/_sourceit/sourceit/oss</a> </p>
<p>I wonder if a case could be put for the government to fund development of ILS software for libraries, in a similar way to Greenstone with UNESCO for libraries in developing countries?</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Wallis</title>
		<link>http://librariesinteract.info/2007/01/03/new-option-for-an-ils/comment-page-1/#comment-6142</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 03:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect it also goes much deeper than that. I suggest there is a fear in the Library sector, both public and higher-ed, in using Open Source software. Or at the very least openly using Open Source software. I&#039;d even be willing to suggest that it goes into Federal Government as well. Anecdotal evidence suggests that grants for open source development can be very hard to get.

I am encouraged though that other people are beginning to wonder about why we put up with the software that we do, and that other libraries are using open source development. The future for ILS and ILMS packages may not be so bleak after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect it also goes much deeper than that. I suggest there is a fear in the Library sector, both public and higher-ed, in using Open Source software. Or at the very least openly using Open Source software. I&#8217;d even be willing to suggest that it goes into Federal Government as well. Anecdotal evidence suggests that grants for open source development can be very hard to get.</p>
<p>I am encouraged though that other people are beginning to wonder about why we put up with the software that we do, and that other libraries are using open source development. The future for ILS and ILMS packages may not be so bleak after all.</p>
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